An Eloquent Letter
From Yahoo discussion archives
--- suelivre@h... wrote:
I have decided to share a few thoughts with you about my brief experience with SY. Your postings have served as a much appreciated supportive prop as I have extricated myself from my SY entanglement.
My awareness of the group began about a year ago at a family gathering where an extended-family member remarked that SY might offer me some relief from rheumatoid arthritis -- a problem I've dealt with for a long time. SY was presented to me in thiscontext as a "system of thought" whereby one moved one's attention around to various significant points in the body and directed one's energies toward clearing these points of whatever was interfering with their proper functioning, which would ultimately lead to a lessening of pain and restriction of movement engendered by the arthritis.
Well, that characterization of SY meditation seemed benign enough to me to peak my curiosity. I was not without reservation regarding any procedure, system, or alternative medicine approach to arthritis, because the world of arthritis treatment is, sadly, the target of a good deal of quackery. Also I was on the alert for anything hinting of cultishness because I had seen other family members become ensnared in the scientology organization and Jehovah's Witnesses.
In looking back to analyze and learn from my experience with SY, I can see that I was gently led "down the garden path." I distinctly remember the leader of the first informational meeting I attended assuring us that use of SM's picture during meditation did not constitute worship; the picture was merely there to facilitate and > enhance the flow of vibrations from SM to us.
Over the ensuing months the culture of SY was revealed to me bit by bit. With each new revelation of what SY really entailed -- the footsoaking, candles, chanting, lengthy and frequent pujas, etc., my misgivings began to grow. But the people in our local group seemed so decent, honest and well-intentioned, that each time something came up which set off warning bells with me, I told myself that I needed more time and more information to get the "big picture."
When the big picture finally emerged, it wasn't pretty. I stumbled upon the Facts About SY website by accident in July. I had been looking for the new SY website (theworldsavior.whatever) as recommended by a local SY leader, but didn't have the correct web address. My computer search program came up with a number of sites, and I picked the Facts site at random. What I learned there reinforced what I was starting to encounter in weekly SY gatherings.
Of course we had been assured that no one ever charged for SY. But with the approach of SM's coming to the USA, to her upstate New York property, and to Washington, D.C., suddenly the story became a bit different. We learned that there would be a charge of $250.00 per person to camp on SM's land. We learned also that in order to take part in the puja in upstate New York, we would have to wear a sari if we were female, and the men would have to wear something appropriate also. When we asked why it was absolutely necessary to dress in this fashion, we were told that it was pleasing to the deities, and that it would ruin the vibrations if we failed to do so.
By this time we had been told that SM was divine. I had been prepared to seriously consider this possibility given that I believe that all of us harbor a wonderful divine spark within us. I had been prepared towrite off the $250.00 per person as a necessary expense to provide for the needs of a large gathering of people. Every organization seeking to improve the soul's lot in the material world needs to raise money, after all. However, we had been told that SY had no "organization." In fact, we were led to believe that SM didn't even have a secretary.
These, and several other inconsistencies began to add up. Then came my reading of the website (which, I was warned, was run by ego- dominated, unscrupulous former members with large axes to grind). A local leader offered to tell me the "real" story behind the observations and allegations listed at that website. I declined the offer. What was the point? Ultimately, we had been lied to. And it is my firm belief that anything, no matter how well-intentioned (and apparently even that is open to question where SY is concerned), that is founded on falsehood is corrupt and therefore suspect.
To some that may seem like a harsh judgment. But exploitation of good, trusting, and vulnerable people angers me -- be that exploitation emotional, spirtiual or financial.
Well, I need to get off my soapbox now. I chalk all this up to a learning experience. And while I certainly do miss the fellowship of like-minded fellow seekers, I can't surrender my God-given critical faculty. Let me just say thanks again for providing this forum.
2820 From: frank miller <frankmil31@y...> Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:17pm Subject: Re: [SY] Leaving SY After a Short While
I am sorry, Sue, that once again, a person in a very vulnerable state, was led to believe that her ailment would be cured by Sahaja Yoga. I think that the doctors in Sahaj, who have a very prestigious position, should be made accountable. They are a disgrace to their profession, they know very well that many people in Sahaja Yoga are not well and do not get cured at all. In fact many people feel that their illnesses get worse over the years. You got out in time, Sue! These doctors should be reported officially to the official bodies in their respective countries. We are talking witchcraft, driving out demons and possessions, SM being the biggest one of all! Best wishes Frank
--- John glover <jglove7@h...> wrote:
For the sake of accuracy, my comments are below (in capitals to distinguish it from the original - not to shout):
At what point did they tell you that to be in sahaja yoga (or the 'awakend state' as they >call it), you will:
Worship Mrs. S as God,
- IN ENGLAND WE DO NOT TELL PEOPLE WHO WE BELIEVE MOTHER IS, as MOST OF THEM FORM THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCES
Do everything that she says,
- THIS IS THE GURU/DISCIPLE RELATIONSHIP FROM DAYS OF YORE
You are possessed by negativity and/or bhoots (evil spirits) if you disagree with her,
- I DON'T THINK THESE ACCUSATIONS OCCUR THESE DAYS, BUT IT HAS HAPPENED MANY YEARS AGO
No dating or pre-marital sex allowed,
- MANY OF OUR PARENTS HAVE ALSO ADVISED US THUS
Get an arranged marriage in sy,
- DEFINITELY NOT A "MUST" I KNOW OF MANY WHO HAVE CHOSEN THEIR OWN PARTNERS, BOTH IN EUROPE AND THE USA. ALSO, IT IS INVIVIDUALS WHO, BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN THEIR GURU, ASK HER/HIM TO SELECT THE BEST "SPIRITUAL" MATCH FOR THEM.
Send any children of that marriage to far awayplaces for school,
- ALSO NOT INSISTED UPON. MANY YOGIS DO NOT SEND THEIR CHILDREN AWAY
Pour milk, honey, sugar, yoghurt, & butter on her feet and then drink it,
- IN THE PAST FEW YEARS WE HAVE ONLY SEEN THIS DONE WITH HER HANDS. YOGIS BELIEVE IT IS VIBRATED BY HER HANDS. A FAIR NUMBER DO NOT DRINK THIS, AND ARE DEFINITELY NOT FORCED TO. IN INDIA THEY POUR THESE SUBSTANCES ON DIRTY STATUES AND THE LOCAL POPULACE DRINKS IT GLADLY - ANOTHER TRADITION THERE.
Spend thousands of dollars attending pujas in far away places,
- YES, JUST LIKE SOME VISIT LOURDES BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEFS, SYs ATTEND PUJAS TO GROW SPIRITUALLY - AND ARE WILLING TO SPEND FOR THIS AS OTHERS DO FOR THEIR BELIEFS.
and, if you dare to criticise, investigate, or write about her in this forum, Jesus Christ will not ever forgive you and will send you straight to hell.
- WE KNOW FROM OUR BIBLICAL STUDIES THAT CHRIST HAS INDICATED THAT A SIN AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. SINCE SYs BELIEVE THAT SM IS THE INCARNATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, ... IT FOLLOWS. 2821 From: frank miller <frankmil31@y...> Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:18pm Subject: Re: [SY] Accuracy of recent response to Julian(JG)
You are desperately trying to justify all the inconsistencies of the cult Vishwa Nirmala Dharma, and we know how you feel, because we tried to do the same for years, until the Adult in us had to admit that things did not add up. You know the saying: growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional...
Greetings Frank 2824 From: suomyno@a... Date: Tue Aug 14, 2001 9:19pm Subject: the day I questionned myself about sy
I've suddenly remembered what went on in my brain the day I decided to ask myself questions about sy. " In the deepest part of my heart, I do have doubts, even though they're invisible to others. If she is the divine mother, she will already know this. So thinking and questionning would not make my 'wrongdoing' any worse.
If she's not, then it's good that I'm asking questions because I need to know the truth. Then I will leave and have to be forgiven for years of blasphemy (!)
If she is the Adi Shakti, and I ask my questions, then she will forgive me for my doubts and let me back in. But if she isn't God, and I don't pursue my doubts, then I'm gonna be in trouble with the real God pretty soon! And even if there's no God, for my own integrity, I just wanna do what's right for me, so I can't ignore the doubts. So if I fairly assess sy pros and cons, it's a win-win situation! "
From: "Odysseus" <balancedmind@y...> Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org To: email@example.com Subject: [SY] Re: Accuracy of recent response to Julian Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:02:17 -0000
You say that in England you don't tell people who you believe Mrs. S is. Whether you do or don't is not the issue. The fact is you don't need to. People don't consciously join cults, they get slowly indoctrinated until they come to their own twisted conclusions. That is partly why the bond is so hard to break. The conclusions are twisted because personal experiences are based partly on deception and lack of full disclosure. Regardless, you can't deny that people worship Mrs. S as God and that is where everyone who stays in sahaja yoga ends up.